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--- vividcon-and-ableism [2021/08/30 08:38]
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+++ vividcon-and-ableism [2021/08/30 20:19] (current)
nonnymousely LightGetsIn andVom_Marlow don't actually have pages, so just stripping those link. Tone argument isn't a page so I ended up linking wikipedia--hope that's okay.
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 ====== Vividcon and Ableism ======
-Vividcon wank began over [[w/page/46336130/Vividcon%20Bans%20Babies|the banning of babies]] from the convention, but it quickly morphed into wank over [[w/page/46348640/Ableism|ableism]], [[w/page/46342981/Triggers|triggers]], and [[w/page/46343593/Warningwank|warnings]]. In short, various disabled fans were upset at what they perceived as a lack of accessibility, and some of them were mainly worried about being triggered by the videos.
+Vividcon wank began over [[vividcon-bans-babies|the banning of babies]] from the convention, but it quickly morphed into wank over [[ableism]], [[triggers]], and [[Warningwank|warnings]]. In short, various disabled fans were upset at what they perceived as a lack of accessibility, and some of them were mainly worried about being triggered by the videos.
 Highlights:
-  * [[lightgetsin|LIghtGetsIn]] insisting that [[http://astolat.dreamwidth.org/216960.html?thread=5409408#cmt5409408|vidders can't be trusted to put "sufficient" or "correct" warnings on their vids]] (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=27477#t27477|here]]) and [[http://lightgetsin.dreamwidth.org/298046.html|comparing a lack of warnings for each and every vid at a videocon]] to arguments made against the Americans with Disabilities Act (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=34645#t34645|here]]). The latter is rather amazing, considering that LightGetsIn is an attorney.
+  * LightGetsIn insisting that [[http://astolat.dreamwidth.org/216960.html?thread=5409408#cmt5409408|vidders can't be trusted to put "sufficient" or "correct" warnings on their vids]] (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=27477#t27477|here]]) and [[http://lightgetsin.dreamwidth.org/298046.html|comparing a lack of warnings for each and every vid at a videocon]] to arguments made against the Americans with Disabilities Act (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=34645#t34645|here]]). The latter is rather amazing, considering that LightGetsIn is an attorney.
   * Minnaway [[http://astolat.dreamwidth.org/216960.html?thread=5411712#cmt5411712|asking for warnings to include timestamps]]. Gentlefailer: "[[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=27733#t27733|I'm picturing]] an empty premieres room, with EVERY PERSON AT THE CON standing in the hallway with a stop watch. Except it is ablist to require them to go in and out due to triggers, and ablist to require the ability to read a watch."
-  * [[vom_marlowe|Vom_Marlowe]]'s [[http://vom-marlowe.livejournal.com/433098.html|post about how VVC is oppressing her]]. The bulleted list toward the end, followed by the paragraph "Congrats, fandom. I now know my place!", is a marvel of passive-aggressiveness unto itself.
+  * Vom_Marlowe's [[http://vom-marlowe.livejournal.com/433098.html|post about how VVC is oppressing her]]. The bulleted list toward the end, followed by the paragraph "Congrats, fandom. I now know my place!", is a marvel of passive-aggressiveness unto itself.
   * In said post, Chorus_of_Chaos [[http://vom-marlowe.livejournal.com/433098.html?thread=3744458&format=light#t3744458|proposing a class-action lawsuit against VVC]] (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=42069#t42069|here]]).
-  * [[w/page/46336523/Impertinence|Impertinence]], who has many triggers, [[http://impertinence.dreamwidth.org/537592.html|claiming]] that people arguing against censorship are the ones making "emotional" arguments, but her insistence that people accommodate all possible triggers is rational (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=128853#t128853|here]]).
+  * [[Impertinence]], who has many triggers, [[http://impertinence.dreamwidth.org/537592.html|claiming]] that people arguing against censorship are the ones making "emotional" arguments, but her insistence that people accommodate all possible triggers is rational (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=128853#t128853|here]]).
   * Thuviaparth [[http://astolat.dreamwidth.org/216960.html?thread=5428096#cmt5428096|echoing LightGetsIn's call for vid-level warnings imposed by VVC without vidder permission]] (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=148821#t148821|here]]).
-  * Noted SJ warrior [[w/page/46336155/Deepad|Deepad]] using the [[tone%20argument|tone argument]] on a disabled fan: "[[http://laurashapiro.dreamwidth.org/303799.html?thread=7649207#cmt7649207|As for the rest of your comment]], it contains a level of hostility that disinclines me from further engagement with you." (Discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=55125#t55125|here]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=67669#t67669|here]].)
+  * Noted SJ warrior [[Deepad]] using the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing|tone argument]] on a disabled fan: "[[http://laurashapiro.dreamwidth.org/303799.html?thread=7649207#cmt7649207|As for the rest of your comment]], it contains a level of hostility that disinclines me from further engagement with you." (Discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=55125#t55125|here]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=67669#t67669|here]].)
 Various untitled f_fa threads:
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   * [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=183637#t183637|Ugly thread]] started by another rape survivor, trying to argue whether Impertinence was "raped enough" to count as a rape survivor. Frozen by mod.
   * [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=150357#t150357|Facetious thread]] on "competing accessibility claims," e.g., demanding a warning for rape vs. being triggered by the word "rape."
-  * [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=222805#t222805|Thread covering]] both the ableism wank and the [[w/page/46336130/Vividcon%20Bans%20Babies|VVC slingbaby wank]]: "My grudge is against the rhetoric emerging now that says adults-only spaces (so no kids allowed) or risk-taking spaces (so everyone knows that the warnings in this particular space are likely to be insufficient and/or the amount of triggery content high) are not acceptable. After all, male-only universities weren't acceptable either! Everyone should be comfortable and welcome everywhere! Separate-but-equal is wrong, and this is the same thing as segregation!"
+  * [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=222805#t222805|Thread covering]] both the ableism wank and the [[vividcon-bans-babies|VVC slingbaby wank]]: "My grudge is against the rhetoric emerging now that says adults-only spaces (so no kids allowed) or risk-taking spaces (so everyone knows that the warnings in this particular space are likely to be insufficient and/or the amount of triggery content high) are not acceptable. After all, male-only universities weren't acceptable either! Everyone should be comfortable and welcome everywhere! Separate-but-equal is wrong, and this is the same thing as segregation!"
-Finally, there is [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=170837#t170837|this //Braveheart//-level speech]] by a disabled Gentlefailer with triggers who states that neither [[vom_marlowe|Vom_Marlowe]] nor [[w/page/46336523/Impertinence|Impertinence]] speaks for hir. It has become the text of our [[w/page/46342981/Triggers|Triggers]] page. Interestingly, [[http://impertinence.livejournal.com/556970.html?thread=11834538|some anon linked Impertinence to it]] (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=286293#t286293|here]]). She took it surprisingly well.
+Finally, there is [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=170837#t170837|this //Braveheart//-level speech]] by a disabled Gentlefailer with triggers who states that neither Vom_Marlowe nor [[Impertinence]] speaks for hir. It has become the text of our [[Triggers]] page. Interestingly, [[http://impertinence.livejournal.com/556970.html?thread=11834538|some anon linked Impertinence to it]] (discussed [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/341.html?thread=286293#t286293|here]]). She took it surprisingly well.

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