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 **[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107457.html?thread=538684353#cmt538684353|Post #86:]]** Sf/f book reviewer James Nicoll [[http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/5121496.html|posted on his LJ]] about Sriduangkaew’s outing. All hell exploded in the comments, with BS defenders coming out of the woodwork: Mamatas, Alienne, Seth Ellis, Sean O'Hara, and others. Many of Winterfox’s victims commented anonymously, including a woman of color (known as Video Games Anon on FFA) whom Winterfox told she [[http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/5121496.html?thread=96109016#t96109016|“ought to be raped by dogs”]] for the heinous crime of not sharing WF’s taste in videogames. **[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107457.html?thread=538684353#cmt538684353|Post #86:]]** Sf/f book reviewer James Nicoll [[http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/5121496.html|posted on his LJ]] about Sriduangkaew’s outing. All hell exploded in the comments, with BS defenders coming out of the woodwork: Mamatas, Alienne, Seth Ellis, Sean O'Hara, and others. Many of Winterfox’s victims commented anonymously, including a woman of color (known as Video Games Anon on FFA) whom Winterfox told she [[http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/5121496.html?thread=96109016#t96109016|“ought to be raped by dogs”]] for the heinous crime of not sharing WF’s taste in videogames.
  
-Not content with whiteknighting WF all over Nicoll's post and trolling her victims, Mamatas wrote [[https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/521320887060934657|some very]] [[https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/521320820207919104|self-centered]] [[https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/521333129806508032|tweets]] in which he compared WF to Jonathan Swift, dragged out dirty laundry, and pointlessly name-checked [[Cassandra%20Claire|Cassie Clare]]. Meanwhile, a nonny found [[https://storify.com/requireshate|a Storify full of WF/RH’s hate-filled Tweets]], in which, among other things, she made “hilarious” jokes about burning “weeaboos” alive and called Irish oppression “white tears.”+Not content with whiteknighting WF all over Nicoll's post and trolling her victims, Mamatas wrote [[https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/521320887060934657|some very]] [[https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/521320820207919104|self-centered]] [[https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/521333129806508032|tweets]] in which he compared WF to Jonathan Swift, dragged out dirty laundry, and pointlessly name-checked [[Cassandra-Claire|Cassie Clare]]. Meanwhile, a nonny found [[https://storify.com/requireshate|a Storify full of WF/RH’s hate-filled Tweets]], in which, among other things, she made “hilarious” jokes about burning “weeaboos” alive and called Irish oppression “white tears.”
  
-**[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=540015716#cmt540015716|Post #87:]]** K. Tempest Bradford rode to WF’s defense, claiming [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/521738507434606593|she wasn’t an abuser]], just [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/521737479582666752|a powerless victim!]] Also, [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/521773400952692736|mevennen/Liz Williams was a big meanie to her.]] James Nicoll [[https://twitter.com/jamesdnicoll/status/521752793963839489|confirmed]] that the anons opposing Winterfox on his LJ post were posting from several different IP addresses, proving this wasn’t the work of a single person with a grudge. Fellow wanker [[w/page/62852398/Jha|Jha]] joined in the BS defense, [[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522456644547256321|chiding RH's victims]]: “[[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522451556549926912|She’s supposed to make you uncomfortable!”]] RH “[[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522486272733220864|took the fall]],[[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522451556549926912|”]] somehow. [[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522475805394616321|The Cult of Nice strikes again!]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=540186212#cmt540186212|(Meme discussion.)]]+**[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=540015716#cmt540015716|Post #87:]]** K. Tempest Bradford rode to WF’s defense, claiming [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/521738507434606593|she wasn’t an abuser]], just [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/521737479582666752|a powerless victim!]] Also, [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/521773400952692736|mevennen/Liz Williams was a big meanie to her.]] James Nicoll [[https://twitter.com/jamesdnicoll/status/521752793963839489|confirmed]] that the anons opposing Winterfox on his LJ post were posting from several different IP addresses, proving this wasn’t the work of a single person with a grudge. Fellow wanker [[Jha]] joined in the BS defense, [[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522456644547256321|chiding RH's victims]]: “[[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522451556549926912|She’s supposed to make you uncomfortable!”]] RH “[[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522486272733220864|took the fall]],[[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522451556549926912|”]] somehow. [[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522475805394616321|The Cult of Nice strikes again!]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=540186212#cmt540186212|(Meme discussion.)]]
  
 Asymptotic Binary started [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?739504-When-An-Author-That-Once-You-Liked|an RPG.net forum thread]] to defend WF’s honor and insult her critics (e.g., referring to Caitlin R. Kiernan as “butthurt”). The thread ended up spanning more than 50 pages. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=540148836#cmt540148836|(Meme discussion.)]] Book review blog Dear Author [[http://dearauthor.com/features/industry-news/tuesday-news-dropbox-drops-files-youtube-stars-getting-book-deals-sff-author-revealed-as-controversial-blogger-and-catherine-roach-on-romance-claims/|mentioned the outing in a news post]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=540105316#cmt540105316|(Meme discussion.)]] Asymptotic Binary started [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?739504-When-An-Author-That-Once-You-Liked|an RPG.net forum thread]] to defend WF’s honor and insult her critics (e.g., referring to Caitlin R. Kiernan as “butthurt”). The thread ended up spanning more than 50 pages. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=540148836#cmt540148836|(Meme discussion.)]] Book review blog Dear Author [[http://dearauthor.com/features/industry-news/tuesday-news-dropbox-drops-files-youtube-stars-getting-book-deals-sff-author-revealed-as-controversial-blogger-and-catherine-roach-on-romance-claims/|mentioned the outing in a news post]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=540105316#cmt540105316|(Meme discussion.)]]
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 [[https://twitter.com/Keffy/status/521740095578071040|Keffi R M Kehrli]] and Tempest claimed that white dudes never get the kind of backlash BS did. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=541283940#cmt541283940|Meme disagreed.]] Meanwhile, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=541295460#cmt541295460|the Kiernan brouhaha was revisited]], as was [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=541411428#cmt541411428|RH/BS’s friendship with Ekaterina Sedia,]] one of her supporters. Robert N. Lee wrote [[http://www.awesomedome.com/requires-only-that-youre-fake/|an anti-WF/RH/BS post]] that made some good points. Unfortunately, its author is a member of GamerGate, tainting his post by association. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=541745508#cmt541745508|(Meme discussion.)]] [[https://twitter.com/Keffy/status/521740095578071040|Keffi R M Kehrli]] and Tempest claimed that white dudes never get the kind of backlash BS did. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=541283940#cmt541283940|Meme disagreed.]] Meanwhile, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=541295460#cmt541295460|the Kiernan brouhaha was revisited]], as was [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=541411428#cmt541411428|RH/BS’s friendship with Ekaterina Sedia,]] one of her supporters. Robert N. Lee wrote [[http://www.awesomedome.com/requires-only-that-youre-fake/|an anti-WF/RH/BS post]] that made some good points. Unfortunately, its author is a member of GamerGate, tainting his post by association. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107620.html?thread=541745508#cmt541745508|(Meme discussion.)]]
  
-**[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541622935#cmt541622935|Post #88:]]** Hurley’s post [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541623703#cmt541623703|was discussed again.]] Her comparison of BS to s/f writer James Tiptree, Jr. (pseud of Alice Sheldon) [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541844631#cmt541844631|enraged]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541914007#cmt541914007|nonnies]]. The subthread attracted [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=542151575#cmt542151575|a nonnie with a hateboner for Tiptree]] and was frozen. Also, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=542007447#cmt542007447|a helpful nonny]] found numerous links (some of which are now 404) proving that both Sullivan and [[http://mevennen.livejournal.com/927017.html|Liz Williams]], far from having saved their ire for women of color, had [[http://mevennen.livejournal.com/926008.html|criticized several]] wanky [[http://mevennen.livejournal.com/925394.html|white men]] such as [[w/page/81478085/Vox%20Day|Vox Day]] and Mike Resnick.+**[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541622935#cmt541622935|Post #88:]]** Hurley’s post [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541623703#cmt541623703|was discussed again.]] Her comparison of BS to s/f writer James Tiptree, Jr. (pseud of Alice Sheldon) [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541844631#cmt541844631|enraged]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541914007#cmt541914007|nonnies]]. The subthread attracted [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=542151575#cmt542151575|a nonnie with a hateboner for Tiptree]] and was frozen. Also, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=542007447#cmt542007447|a helpful nonny]] found numerous links (some of which are now 404) proving that both Sullivan and [[http://mevennen.livejournal.com/927017.html|Liz Williams]], far from having saved their ire for women of color, had [[http://mevennen.livejournal.com/926008.html|criticized several]] wanky [[http://mevennen.livejournal.com/925394.html|white men]] such as [[Vox-Day|Vox Day]] and Mike Resnick.
  
-Writers/editors Rose Lemberg and Shweta Narayan [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541638039#cmt541638039|stated]] that they would never ever eeeeeveeeeer “connect walletnames to pseuds,” in clear support of BS’s privacy. (Narayan, back in the day, was a [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/34598.html?thread=159407910#t159407910|supporter]] of [[w/page/50911523/Riley|Riley]] and his Arkh Project.) [[http://jhameia.dreamwidth.org/152357.html|Jha put up a post]] claiming that claiming that abuse is a private matter, publicizing an abuser’s identity is “white-knighting,” and all WF’s opponents are collaborating with white men against all WoC. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541831831#cmt541831831|(Meme discussion.)]] She also [[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522514448515227648|retweeted]] writer Polenth Blake’s much more nuanced post, [[http://blog.polenthblake.com/2014/10/requires-only-that-you-trust.html|Requires Only That You Trust]] (now locked). On the other hand, Jha made a (now locked) DW post defending WF from the mean outers, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541831831#cmt541831831|discussed here]].+Writers/editors Rose Lemberg and Shweta Narayan [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541638039#cmt541638039|stated]] that they would never ever eeeeeveeeeer “connect walletnames to pseuds,” in clear support of BS’s privacy. (Narayan, back in the day, was a [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/34598.html?thread=159407910#t159407910|supporter]] of [[Riley]] and his Arkh Project.) [[http://jhameia.dreamwidth.org/152357.html|Jha put up a post]] claiming that claiming that abuse is a private matter, publicizing an abuser’s identity is “white-knighting,” and all WF’s opponents are collaborating with white men against all WoC. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541831831#cmt541831831|(Meme discussion.)]] She also [[https://twitter.com/jhameia/status/522514448515227648|retweeted]] writer Polenth Blake’s much more nuanced post, [[http://blog.polenthblake.com/2014/10/requires-only-that-you-trust.html|Requires Only That You Trust]] (now locked). On the other hand, Jha made a (now locked) DW post defending WF from the mean outers, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541831831#cmt541831831|discussed here]].
  
 Meanwhile, on the comments of Blake's post, a white Irish male writer said RH “called for [him] to be beheaded.” His name isn’t mentioned, but he seems to be Colum Paget, who spoke about WF in the Mixon Report's comments and in numerous other places. ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541893271#cmt541893271|Meme discussion.]]) [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541702039#cmt541702039|More discussion of Asymptotic Binary’s RPG.net flailing]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541760919#cmt541760919|Robert N. Lee’s post]]. Lee also [[https://twitter.com/robertnlee/status/521518390792716289|tweeted]] about RH accusing writer Jay Lake of molesting his own daughter; this went on during Lake's last year of life while he was battling terminal cancer. On an August 2012 post, Lake [[http://marlowe1.livejournal.com/2059927.html?thread=9275031#t9275031|commented that Tempest had harassed him]]. Meanwhile, on the comments of Blake's post, a white Irish male writer said RH “called for [him] to be beheaded.” His name isn’t mentioned, but he seems to be Colum Paget, who spoke about WF in the Mixon Report's comments and in numerous other places. ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541893271#cmt541893271|Meme discussion.]]) [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541702039#cmt541702039|More discussion of Asymptotic Binary’s RPG.net flailing]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/107927.html?thread=541760919#cmt541760919|Robert N. Lee’s post]]. Lee also [[https://twitter.com/robertnlee/status/521518390792716289|tweeted]] about RH accusing writer Jay Lake of molesting his own daughter; this went on during Lake's last year of life while he was battling terminal cancer. On an August 2012 post, Lake [[http://marlowe1.livejournal.com/2059927.html?thread=9275031#t9275031|commented that Tempest had harassed him]].
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 **[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557892081#cmt557892081|Post #98:]]** The [[http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/|Mixon Report]] was posted. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557897969#cmt557897969|(Meme discussion.)]] Rachel Manija Brown, who had been at ground zero of the 50books_poc wank, [[http://rachelmanija.dreamwidth.org/1166236.html|wrote that WF had been harassing her for years]]. Athena Andreadis, who had interacted with two of WF's personae, also [[http://www.starshipreckless.com/blog/?p=9077|shared her experiences]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557907185#cmt557907185|(Meme discussion.)]] [[http://rcloenenruiz.com/2014/11/06/standing-up-and-speaking-truth/|Loenen-Ruiz on McFarlane]]. (Meme discussion [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557912561#cmt557912561|here]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557979377#cmt557979377|here]].) **[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557892081#cmt557892081|Post #98:]]** The [[http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/|Mixon Report]] was posted. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557897969#cmt557897969|(Meme discussion.)]] Rachel Manija Brown, who had been at ground zero of the 50books_poc wank, [[http://rachelmanija.dreamwidth.org/1166236.html|wrote that WF had been harassing her for years]]. Athena Andreadis, who had interacted with two of WF's personae, also [[http://www.starshipreckless.com/blog/?p=9077|shared her experiences]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557907185#cmt557907185|(Meme discussion.)]] [[http://rcloenenruiz.com/2014/11/06/standing-up-and-speaking-truth/|Loenen-Ruiz on McFarlane]]. (Meme discussion [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557912561#cmt557912561|here]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557979377#cmt557979377|here]].)
  
-Long-time RH supporter [[w/page/46430512/CatValente|Cat Valente]] joined the fray, [[https://twitter.com/catvalente/status/530335429196001280|expressing her surprise]] at Mixon’s report. A new person, [[https://twitter.com/OrdQuelu/status/530348174251413505|OrdQuelu]], quickly began to whiteknight for WF. Meme [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557939953#cmt557939953|wasn’t the only one unconvinced]]. Tempest [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/530375589770043392|wanted “specific accusations” in the Mixon report]] but said she [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/530358829847166976|didn’t have time for the whole mess]]. A WoC nonnie and WF victim [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558236145#cmt558236145|called bullshit]] on Tempest’s bashing of white women to defend WF. ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558706673#cmt558706673|Bonus discussion]] of the now-deleted “YA is worthless” post at RH.) Alex Dally Macfarlane posted about “[[http://www.alexdallymacfarlane.com/2014/11/lies-misrepresentations-and-reports/|lies and misrepresentations]].” ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558028785#cmt558028785|Meme discussion]]) Writer Elizabeth Bear wrote [[http://www.elizabethbear.com/?p=2506|an open letter to sf/f fandom]] calling RH an abuser. ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558033393#cmt558033393|Meme discussion]].) Writer Jim C. Hines [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/online-bullying/|posted about online bullying]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558052081#cmt558052081|(Meme discussion.)]]+Long-time RH supporter [[CatValente|Cat Valente]] joined the fray, [[https://twitter.com/catvalente/status/530335429196001280|expressing her surprise]] at Mixon’s report. A new person, [[https://twitter.com/OrdQuelu/status/530348174251413505|OrdQuelu]], quickly began to whiteknight for WF. Meme [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=557939953#cmt557939953|wasn’t the only one unconvinced]]. Tempest [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/530375589770043392|wanted “specific accusations” in the Mixon report]] but said she [[https://twitter.com/tinytempest/status/530358829847166976|didn’t have time for the whole mess]]. A WoC nonnie and WF victim [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558236145#cmt558236145|called bullshit]] on Tempest’s bashing of white women to defend WF. ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558706673#cmt558706673|Bonus discussion]] of the now-deleted “YA is worthless” post at RH.) Alex Dally Macfarlane posted about “[[http://www.alexdallymacfarlane.com/2014/11/lies-misrepresentations-and-reports/|lies and misrepresentations]].” ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558028785#cmt558028785|Meme discussion]]) Writer Elizabeth Bear wrote [[http://www.elizabethbear.com/?p=2506|an open letter to sf/f fandom]] calling RH an abuser. ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558033393#cmt558033393|Meme discussion]].) Writer Jim C. Hines [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/online-bullying/|posted about online bullying]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558052081#cmt558052081|(Meme discussion.)]]
  
 A casual friend of RMB’s [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558150385#cmt558150385|talked about watching WF attack her]]. Hilariously, Tempest [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558254577#cmt558254577|offered to reboot]] the 50books_poc comm. A WF blackmail victim [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558261745#cmt558261745|spoke out]] about WF retaining details from her and other people’s emails to use against them. [[https://twitter.com/girl_octopus/status/530524642138939392|Tempest started to backpedal]]; meme was [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558315505#cmt558315505|unimpressed]]. Janis Ian, the rock star, [[http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/#comment-48|weighed in at Mixon’s]]. Ann Somerville put up [[http://blog.logophilos.net/index.php/2014/11/requireshatewinterfoxbenjanun-sriduangkaew-linkspam/|her first post on the RH matter.]] Meme [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558337777#cmt558337777|discussed the Samuel R. Delaney/NAMBLA situation]]. A casual friend of RMB’s [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558150385#cmt558150385|talked about watching WF attack her]]. Hilariously, Tempest [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558254577#cmt558254577|offered to reboot]] the 50books_poc comm. A WF blackmail victim [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558261745#cmt558261745|spoke out]] about WF retaining details from her and other people’s emails to use against them. [[https://twitter.com/girl_octopus/status/530524642138939392|Tempest started to backpedal]]; meme was [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558315505#cmt558315505|unimpressed]]. Janis Ian, the rock star, [[http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/#comment-48|weighed in at Mixon’s]]. Ann Somerville put up [[http://blog.logophilos.net/index.php/2014/11/requireshatewinterfoxbenjanun-sriduangkaew-linkspam/|her first post on the RH matter.]] Meme [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110577.html?thread=558337777#cmt558337777|discussed the Samuel R. Delaney/NAMBLA situation]].
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 **Post #100:** Foz Meadows [[https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/530852793117315074|defended]] [[https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/530853549971095552|WF]] and [[https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/531934510313910273|opened up her blog to anonymous PoC]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=560512095#cmt560512095|(Meme discussion.)]] Writer Solace K. Ames [[http://fozmeadows.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/guest-post-solace-ames-on-requires-hatewinterfox/|took Meadows up on her offer with a guest post]], in which she railed against the “huge group of racist white women from fandom who strategize together on anon communities (like faux-progressive 4chans).” Meme [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561306975#cmt561306975|wasn’t impressed]]. Ames later [[https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/531939062425608194|repeated her claim]] that anti-WF anons on FFA and elsewhere were lying about being WoC. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561431903#cmt561431903|More unimpressedness.]] **Post #100:** Foz Meadows [[https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/530852793117315074|defended]] [[https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/530853549971095552|WF]] and [[https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/531934510313910273|opened up her blog to anonymous PoC]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=560512095#cmt560512095|(Meme discussion.)]] Writer Solace K. Ames [[http://fozmeadows.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/guest-post-solace-ames-on-requires-hatewinterfox/|took Meadows up on her offer with a guest post]], in which she railed against the “huge group of racist white women from fandom who strategize together on anon communities (like faux-progressive 4chans).” Meme [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561306975#cmt561306975|wasn’t impressed]]. Ames later [[https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/531939062425608194|repeated her claim]] that anti-WF anons on FFA and elsewhere were lying about being WoC. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561431903#cmt561431903|More unimpressedness.]]
  
-Somerville [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561450335#cmt561450335|visited FFA]] and said, //“I don’t participate because you guys are fucking mean.”// Someone going by “VitaSineLibrisMorsEst” [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/#comments|commented at Jim C. Hines’ blog to defend WF]] and was [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561154655#cmt561154655|suspected to be WF herself]]. Loenen-Ruiz [[http://rcloenenruiz.com/2014/11/11/an-open-call/|asked for space for WF’s victims]]. [[https://twitter.com/popelizbet/status/530966869071892480|PopeLizbet again.]] [[w/page/81478085/Vox%20Day|Vox Day]] turned out to be [[http://www.metafilter.com/144305/Ripping-up-the-SFF-Scene-Requires-Hate#5809357|an RH fan]].+Somerville [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561450335#cmt561450335|visited FFA]] and said, //“I don’t participate because you guys are fucking mean.”// Someone going by “VitaSineLibrisMorsEst” [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/#comments|commented at Jim C. Hines’ blog to defend WF]] and was [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561154655#cmt561154655|suspected to be WF herself]]. Loenen-Ruiz [[http://rcloenenruiz.com/2014/11/11/an-open-call/|asked for space for WF’s victims]]. [[https://twitter.com/popelizbet/status/530966869071892480|PopeLizbet again.]] [[Vox-Day|Vox Day]] turned out to be [[http://www.metafilter.com/144305/Ripping-up-the-SFF-Scene-Requires-Hate#5809357|an RH fan]].
  
-[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=560537951#cmt560537951|SM Stirling snark.]] Comics writer Gail Simone, who [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=560961887#cmt560961887|obtained her info]] from WF defenders [[w/page/59530310/Karnythia|Karnythia]] and [[https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/531817133341417473|Wolverina]], said she [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=560960863#cmt560960863|“feels sad for everyone involved.”]] Omnomnumbat [[http://omnomnumbat.tumblr.com/post/101923247740/walking-the-walk|railed against Sullivan not reccing Thai writers]]. ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561004895#cmt561004895|Meme discussion]]) Vita Sine [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/comment-page-1/#comment-275826|appeared in the comments of Hines]][[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561306975#cmt561306975|’]] latest post and cited Mamatas comparing Mixon[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561306975#cmt561306975|’]]s post to GamerGate. (Meme discussion [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561032543#cmt561032543|here]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561758815#cmt561758815|here]].) A nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561832031#cmt561832031|complained]] about concern trolling on Jim C. Hines' blog from Foxessa (who is Al_Zorra on LJ) [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/comment-page-1/#comment-275874|here]] and [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/comment-page-1/#comment-275955|here]], as well as from [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/comment-page-1/#comment-275850|Carrie Cuinn]]. New [[http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/120249-requires-only-that-you-continue-to-read-this-thread-benjanungate-ii/|Westeros.org discussion]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561099871#cmt561099871|Elizabeth Bear]] signal-boosted [[http://vacuousminx.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/on-pocwoc-as-an-identity-category-its-different-from-the-inside/|this post by Sunita at Vacuousminx]].+[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=560537951#cmt560537951|SM Stirling snark.]] Comics writer Gail Simone, who [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=560961887#cmt560961887|obtained her info]] from WF defenders [[Karnythia]] and [[https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/531817133341417473|Wolverina]], said she [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=560960863#cmt560960863|“feels sad for everyone involved.”]] Omnomnumbat [[http://omnomnumbat.tumblr.com/post/101923247740/walking-the-walk|railed against Sullivan not reccing Thai writers]]. ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561004895#cmt561004895|Meme discussion]]) Vita Sine [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/comment-page-1/#comment-275826|appeared in the comments of Hines]][[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561306975#cmt561306975|’]] latest post and cited Mamatas comparing Mixon[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561306975#cmt561306975|’]]s post to GamerGate. (Meme discussion [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561032543#cmt561032543|here]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561758815#cmt561758815|here]].) A nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561832031#cmt561832031|complained]] about concern trolling on Jim C. Hines' blog from Foxessa (who is Al_Zorra on LJ) [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/comment-page-1/#comment-275874|here]] and [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/comment-page-1/#comment-275955|here]], as well as from [[http://www.jimchines.com/2014/11/absolutes/comment-page-1/#comment-275850|Carrie Cuinn]]. New [[http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/120249-requires-only-that-you-continue-to-read-this-thread-benjanungate-ii/|Westeros.org discussion]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561099871#cmt561099871|Elizabeth Bear]] signal-boosted [[http://vacuousminx.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/on-pocwoc-as-an-identity-category-its-different-from-the-inside/|this post by Sunita at Vacuousminx]].
  
 Somerville [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=562117215#cmt562117215|stated]] that Asymptotic Binary is not the same person as Alienne/Adrienne Leigh. [[http://alisfranklin.com/wyrd/some-thoughts-on-the-politics-of-trolling/|Alis Franklin]]: “RH is proof positive that progressives can be just as nasty as conservatives, and that we are extremely bad (read: hypocritical) at dealing with the fallout, particularly when the accused abuser comes herself from a marginalized identity." [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561819487#cmt561819487|(Meme discussion.)]] A nonny provides [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561872479#cmt561872479|munged links]] to Sad and Rabid Puppies (VD, Larry Correia) commentary. [[http://jamesworrad.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Requires%20Hate|Old posts by James Worrad about WF]] (but see the links for the next post). [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561889375|A comment]] about how WF’s reviews and WF’s harassment have been dishonestly conflated by her supporters. Somerville [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=562117215#cmt562117215|stated]] that Asymptotic Binary is not the same person as Alienne/Adrienne Leigh. [[http://alisfranklin.com/wyrd/some-thoughts-on-the-politics-of-trolling/|Alis Franklin]]: “RH is proof positive that progressives can be just as nasty as conservatives, and that we are extremely bad (read: hypocritical) at dealing with the fallout, particularly when the accused abuser comes herself from a marginalized identity." [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561819487#cmt561819487|(Meme discussion.)]] A nonny provides [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561872479#cmt561872479|munged links]] to Sad and Rabid Puppies (VD, Larry Correia) commentary. [[http://jamesworrad.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Requires%20Hate|Old posts by James Worrad about WF]] (but see the links for the next post). [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/110943.html?thread=561889375|A comment]] about how WF’s reviews and WF’s harassment have been dishonestly conflated by her supporters.
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 [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111162.html?thread=563152698#cmt563152698|Discussion of]] her [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Benjanun_Sriduangkaew#RequiresHate|Wikipedia page]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111162.html?thread=563243322#cmt563243322|UK classism discussion]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111162.html?thread=563152698#cmt563152698|Discussion of]] her [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Benjanun_Sriduangkaew#RequiresHate|Wikipedia page]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111162.html?thread=563243322#cmt563243322|UK classism discussion]].
  
-**[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111945.html?thread=566646345#cmt566646345|Post #104:]]** Things had begun to slow down, which they would eventually do for a while. However, both [[https://twitter.com/sparkymonster/status/534150354511089664|Sparkymonster]] and [[https://twitter.com/Karnythia/status/534352348693680129|Karnythia]] defended WF with the bullshit argument that white fans have never criticized [[w/page/48206789/W!ll%20Sh3tt3rly|The Sweaterly One.]] ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111945.html?thread=566781513#cmt566781513|Respective]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111945.html?thread=567295305#cmt567295305|subthreads]] on meme.) Then [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111945.html?thread=567298377#cmt567298377|a nonny found]] a [[http://wistfuljane.dreamwidth.org/72806.html|Dreamwidth post, now locked, by WistfulJane]], who criticized WF's opponents in the most jargon-dense language imaginable:+**[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111945.html?thread=566646345#cmt566646345|Post #104:]]** Things had begun to slow down, which they would eventually do for a while. However, both [[https://twitter.com/sparkymonster/status/534150354511089664|Sparkymonster]] and [[https://twitter.com/Karnythia/status/534352348693680129|Karnythia]] defended WF with the bullshit argument that white fans have never criticized [[wll-sh3tt3rly|The Sweaterly One.]] ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111945.html?thread=566781513#cmt566781513|Respective]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111945.html?thread=567295305#cmt567295305|subthreads]] on meme.) Then [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/111945.html?thread=567298377#cmt567298377|a nonny found]] a [[http://wistfuljane.dreamwidth.org/72806.html|Dreamwidth post, now locked, by WistfulJane]], who criticized WF's opponents in the most jargon-dense language imaginable:
  
 A white woman's privilege allowed her to call out a chromatic person to protect her white-dominated and privileged space while appropriating the works of chromatic women and policing the racial identit(ies) of the former without censor. Her post caused harm to chromatic people, including those chromatic people who she identified as victims of the chromatic person in question. A white woman's privilege allowed her to call out a chromatic person to protect her white-dominated and privileged space while appropriating the works of chromatic women and policing the racial identit(ies) of the former without censor. Her post caused harm to chromatic people, including those chromatic people who she identified as victims of the chromatic person in question.
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