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 //**Ed. note: If you've come here from an outside website, please be aware that while we strive for these pages to be an accurate and well-documented accounting of events, this is an unofficial and internal wiki for the use of the nonnies at fail_fandomanon. Links marked in red go to posts outside of FFA, and the footnotes are archived versions of these pages.**// //**Ed. note: If you've come here from an outside website, please be aware that while we strive for these pages to be an accurate and well-documented accounting of events, this is an unofficial and internal wiki for the use of the nonnies at fail_fandomanon. Links marked in red go to posts outside of FFA, and the footnotes are archived versions of these pages.**//
  
-This wank has been so massive and long-running that the editors of this wiki set up a //third fucking page// for it. It settled down for a very long time before it cropped up again in August 2016, the events of which are at this writing being documented on the page [[w/page/110137021/TJLC%20vs%20JLEG%3A%20The%20Return%20of%20the%20Wankers|TJLC vs JLEG: The Return of the Wankers]]. This page, meanwhile, has been repurposed to cover most FFA discussions of [[w/page/95404646/The%20Johnlock%20Conspiracy|TJLC]] in between the two big explosions in spring 2015 and summer 2016. Anyone with relevant links that are not on this page are invited to email them to anddiamssemicolon AT gmail DOT com.+This wank has been so massive and long-running that the editors of this wiki set up a //third fucking page// for it. It settled down for a very long time before it cropped up again in August 2016, the events of which are at this writing being documented on the page [[tjlc-vs-jleg-the-return-of-the-wankers|TJLC vs JLEG: The Return of the Wankers]]. This page, meanwhile, has been repurposed to cover most FFA discussions of [[the-johnlock-conspiracy|TJLC]] in between the two big explosions in spring 2015 and summer 2016. Anyone with relevant links that are not on this page are invited to email them to anddiamssemicolon AT gmail DOT com.
  
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 ===== Post #265, Aug. 16-17, 2015 ===== ===== Post #265, Aug. 16-17, 2015 =====
  
-In an [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=820900698#cmt820900698|81-comment subthread]] of the "Fandom Wank Thread," nonnies discussed [[w/page/95404604/Graceebooks|Graceebooks]] minion Johnwatsugh (JW), who has since renamed their Tumblr chimpsinsocks. In [[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/126795972056|this post]] ([[http://archive.is/GxOJD|archive.is]] version), JW attacked Sherlock fanartist anotherwellkeptsecret (AWKS) and defended the attack in [[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/126836570381|this post]] ([[https://archive.is/SqB5L|archive.is]] version). OP wondered if they were //"on a mission to trash everyone in fandom who even remotely liked"// Traumachu, and noted that they were also telling people to unfollow anotherconsultingdetective (whose Tumblr is now gone) for having once rec'ed a fic by Traumachu. (Coincidentally, Grace had just [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/126794339112/anotherwellkeptsecret-into-battle|reblogged]] [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/126794322857/anotherwellkeptsecret-colored-lineart-commission|several]] of [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/126794309092/anotherwellkeptsecret-cuddly-consulting-husbands|AWKS's]] [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/126794291507/anotherwellkeptsecret-behind-closed-curtains|fanarts]]. //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821895514#cmt821895514|Oops]], bad timing, johnwatsugh. What will fandom mom delete say?"//)+In an [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=820900698#cmt820900698|81-comment subthread]] of the "Fandom Wank Thread," nonnies discussed [[Graceebooks]] minion Johnwatsugh (JW), who has since renamed their Tumblr chimpsinsocks. In [[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/126795972056|this post]] ([[http://archive.is/GxOJD|archive.is]] version), JW attacked Sherlock fanartist anotherwellkeptsecret (AWKS) and defended the attack in [[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/126836570381|this post]] ([[https://archive.is/SqB5L|archive.is]] version). OP wondered if they were //"on a mission to trash everyone in fandom who even remotely liked"// Traumachu, and noted that they were also telling people to unfollow anotherconsultingdetective (whose Tumblr is now gone) for having once rec'ed a fic by Traumachu. (Coincidentally, Grace had just [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/126794339112/anotherwellkeptsecret-into-battle|reblogged]] [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/126794322857/anotherwellkeptsecret-colored-lineart-commission|several]] of [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/126794309092/anotherwellkeptsecret-cuddly-consulting-husbands|AWKS's]] [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/126794291507/anotherwellkeptsecret-behind-closed-curtains|fanarts]]. //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821895514#cmt821895514|Oops]], bad timing, johnwatsugh. What will fandom mom delete say?"//)
  
 JW [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821656410#cmt821656410|also got an ask]] about what was so "problematic" about archiaart's fanworks. They [[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/126911647846|replied]] ([[http://archive.is/DNvDl|archive.is]] version), "there’s dubcon and noncon on there so unless it’s been deleted (doubtful) i don’t see how you’re missing it. there’s also the fact that john looks like a very tall 10 year old, which i understand does not equal pedophilia but like. please. and whether or not you’re seeing the things we’re talking about, everything said about this user is true and i don’t see why you’d want to keep supporting someone like that." [[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/126912590016|Another Johnwatsugh post]] ([[http://archive.is/B9otW|archive.is]] version) was tagged "#again why would so many of us accuse people randomly and with no basis like". Nonny: //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821659994#cmt821659994|"I WONDER WHY."]]// JW [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821656410#cmt821656410|also got an ask]] about what was so "problematic" about archiaart's fanworks. They [[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/126911647846|replied]] ([[http://archive.is/DNvDl|archive.is]] version), "there’s dubcon and noncon on there so unless it’s been deleted (doubtful) i don’t see how you’re missing it. there’s also the fact that john looks like a very tall 10 year old, which i understand does not equal pedophilia but like. please. and whether or not you’re seeing the things we’re talking about, everything said about this user is true and i don’t see why you’d want to keep supporting someone like that." [[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/126912590016|Another Johnwatsugh post]] ([[http://archive.is/B9otW|archive.is]] version) was tagged "#again why would so many of us accuse people randomly and with no basis like". Nonny: //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821659994#cmt821659994|"I WONDER WHY."]]//
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 Nonnies also [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821672026#cmt821672026|discussed]] Archiaart's [[http://archiaart.tumblr.com/post/75130485914/if-you-truly-wanted-to-escape-youd-have-run|lovely fanart]] of Sherlock pinning John down, captioned "If you truly wanted to escape, you’d have run faster…" and tagged #dubcon, which drew TJLC's ire. The consensus was that it could be viewed as dubcon, noncon with //"////Sherlock being his usual dickish self,"// or pre-arranged rapeplay; but it certainly wasn't pedophilia, even if John looked a bit young there. Meanwhile, AWKS put up [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/126912310954/you-say-tagging-is-important-but-archia-has-and|two]] [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/126913857169/i-received-an-ask-that-i-think-is-important-to|posts]] (discussed respectively [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821777754#cmt821777754|here]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821821530#cmt821821530|here]]) defending both herself and archiaart. Although one nonny wasn't thrilled that AWKS didn't draw a distinction between creating shota fanworks and defending real-life pedophilia, overall meme was very impressed by and appreciative of her posts. Nonnies also [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821672026#cmt821672026|discussed]] Archiaart's [[http://archiaart.tumblr.com/post/75130485914/if-you-truly-wanted-to-escape-youd-have-run|lovely fanart]] of Sherlock pinning John down, captioned "If you truly wanted to escape, you’d have run faster…" and tagged #dubcon, which drew TJLC's ire. The consensus was that it could be viewed as dubcon, noncon with //"////Sherlock being his usual dickish self,"// or pre-arranged rapeplay; but it certainly wasn't pedophilia, even if John looked a bit young there. Meanwhile, AWKS put up [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/126912310954/you-say-tagging-is-important-but-archia-has-and|two]] [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/126913857169/i-received-an-ask-that-i-think-is-important-to|posts]] (discussed respectively [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821777754#cmt821777754|here]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821821530#cmt821821530|here]]) defending both herself and archiaart. Although one nonny wasn't thrilled that AWKS didn't draw a distinction between creating shota fanworks and defending real-life pedophilia, overall meme was very impressed by and appreciative of her posts.
  
-A nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821056090#cmt821056090|complained]] of Gracee's group, //"////One by one they want to take down all the talented artists/writers..."// [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821441626#cmt821441626|Another]] quoted this with the word "talented" in bold and added, //"////I'm pretty sure you've put your finger on it right there. They're rooting out the competition [[w/page/46349159/Winterfox%2C%20Pre-Outing|Winterfox]]-style."//+A nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821056090#cmt821056090|complained]] of Gracee's group, //"////One by one they want to take down all the talented artists/writers..."// [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821441626#cmt821441626|Another]] quoted this with the word "talented" in bold and added, //"////I'm pretty sure you've put your finger on it right there. They're rooting out the competition [[Winterfox]]-style."//
  
 Finally, this thread also covered Grace minion [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821221978#cmt821221978|therealmartinsgrrrl comparing 221b Con]] to the Republican National Convention ([[http://therealmartinsgrrrl.tumblr.com/post/126385711626/i-mean-youre-not-giving-your-money-to-the|original post]]; [[http://archive.is/7Dfyz|archive.is]] version); [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821630298#cmt821630298|discussion of Grace's behavior]] at the con by a nonny who had several friends there; and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821719386#cmt821719386|caitlinfairchild]], brainstormer of the hypothetical TJLCon, who was //"perfectly pleasant ... except// //she follows these assholes and every so often I get this rude shock of seeing therealmartinsgrrrl turn up on my dash."// Finally, this thread also covered Grace minion [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821221978#cmt821221978|therealmartinsgrrrl comparing 221b Con]] to the Republican National Convention ([[http://therealmartinsgrrrl.tumblr.com/post/126385711626/i-mean-youre-not-giving-your-money-to-the|original post]]; [[http://archive.is/7Dfyz|archive.is]] version); [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821630298#cmt821630298|discussion of Grace's behavior]] at the con by a nonny who had several friends there; and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/153946.html?thread=821719386#cmt821719386|caitlinfairchild]], brainstormer of the hypothetical TJLCon, who was //"perfectly pleasant ... except// //she follows these assholes and every so often I get this rude shock of seeing therealmartinsgrrrl turn up on my dash."//
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 ===== Post #273, Aug. 29, 2015 ===== ===== Post #273, Aug. 29, 2015 =====
  
-The [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834704368#cmt834704368|48-comment thread]] titled "Sherlock fandom wank, again" was mostly about [[w/page/95804915/loudest-subtext-in-television|loudest-subtext-in-television]] (LSIT) and her smarmy, passive-aggressive, bullying ways. Anotherwellkeptsecret (AWKS) had just decided to take a break from fandom and [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/127825545064/im-going-to-take-a-break-from-fandom-for-a-little|put up a post]] to "reassure everyone that I’m not gone for good.” LSIT's Tumblr has been deleted since late winter 2016, but one nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834758896#cmt834758896|preserved her response to AWKS in full]]. Meme reaction:+The [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834704368#cmt834704368|48-comment thread]] titled "Sherlock fandom wank, again" was mostly about [[loudest-subtext-in-television|loudest-subtext-in-television]] (LSIT) and her smarmy, passive-aggressive, bullying ways. Anotherwellkeptsecret (AWKS) had just decided to take a break from fandom and [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/127825545064/im-going-to-take-a-break-from-fandom-for-a-little|put up a post]] to "reassure everyone that I’m not gone for good.” LSIT's Tumblr has been deleted since late winter 2016, but one nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834758896#cmt834758896|preserved her response to AWKS in full]]. Meme reaction:
  
 //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834769136#cmt834769136|oh wow]], I don't think I've ever wanted to punch someone through my computer screen so hard before.// //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834769136#cmt834769136|oh wow]], I don't think I've ever wanted to punch someone through my computer screen so hard before.//
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 Johnwatsugh was featured again this post: "//[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834754032#cmt834754032|Looks like this round of wank]] was sparked by screenshots of anotherwellkeptsecret's explanation of her position regarding Archia. How considerate of them to selectively include the FFA thread as well. *waves*"// That nonny linked to a reblog by Tumblr user gaypipe that's now gone, but the post can still be read at [[http://thejohnlockhell.tumblr.com/post/127818987742/onlyclueingforlooks-x-these-are-screenshots|thejohnlockhell]] ([[http://archive.is/VC7BO|archive.is]] version). When asked by an anon if they were happy they'd driven AWKS off Tumblr, Johnwatsugh replied ([[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/127828554891|original post]]; [[http://archive.is/OkuwX|archive.is]] version) ":) i hope she’s happy with her decision to condone and support people that sexualize rape and child abuse". Johnwatsugh was featured again this post: "//[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834754032#cmt834754032|Looks like this round of wank]] was sparked by screenshots of anotherwellkeptsecret's explanation of her position regarding Archia. How considerate of them to selectively include the FFA thread as well. *waves*"// That nonny linked to a reblog by Tumblr user gaypipe that's now gone, but the post can still be read at [[http://thejohnlockhell.tumblr.com/post/127818987742/onlyclueingforlooks-x-these-are-screenshots|thejohnlockhell]] ([[http://archive.is/VC7BO|archive.is]] version). When asked by an anon if they were happy they'd driven AWKS off Tumblr, Johnwatsugh replied ([[http://chimpsinsocks.tumblr.com/post/127828554891|original post]]; [[http://archive.is/OkuwX|archive.is]] version) ":) i hope she’s happy with her decision to condone and support people that sexualize rape and child abuse".
  
-Finally, nonnies [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834924272#cmt834924272|discussed]] LSIT's hypocritical reblog of [[http://thepagejakeenglish.tumblr.com/post/126966494609/hey-gang-i-understand-that-tumblr-has-been-a|this eminently reasonable post by ]][[http://thepagejakeenglish.tumblr.com/post/126966494609/hey-gang-i-understand-that-tumblr-has-been-a|thepagejakeenglish]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834924272#cmt834924272|Summary]]: //"////Just about all of it is hilariously pot-meet-kettle. [[w/page/46349159/Winterfox%2C%20Pre-Outing|Winterfox]] levels thereof, in fact."//+Finally, nonnies [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834924272#cmt834924272|discussed]] LSIT's hypocritical reblog of [[http://thepagejakeenglish.tumblr.com/post/126966494609/hey-gang-i-understand-that-tumblr-has-been-a|this eminently reasonable post by ]][[http://thepagejakeenglish.tumblr.com/post/126966494609/hey-gang-i-understand-that-tumblr-has-been-a|thepagejakeenglish]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156144.html?thread=834924272#cmt834924272|Summary]]: //"////Just about all of it is hilariously pot-meet-kettle. [[Winterfox]] levels thereof, in fact."//
  
 ===== Post #274, Aug. 29-30, 2015 ===== ===== Post #274, Aug. 29-30, 2015 =====
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 OP of [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835089368#cmt835089368|an 111-comment subthread]] in the “Fandom wank” thread: //“Johnwatsugh// (JW) //wobbles wildly between calling people pedophiles and ok. i’m.”// They linked to a post in which JW was expressing suicidal feelings and claiming they would leave Tumblr. Apparently they had a crush on the actress Amanda Abbington and were upset that she had interacted in a friendly way with the ([[http://princeprosperoredmask.tumblr.com/post/127867146815/tim-roberts-vs-the-cumberbatch-fandom-a-long|admittedly misogynist and otherwise obnoxious]]) theatre worker Tim Roberts. Late in the thread there was [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835351000#cmt835351000|more discussion]] of their mental health, with some nonnies [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835369432#cmt835369432|sympathetic]], others [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835371992#cmt835371992|not so much]]. OP of [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835089368#cmt835089368|an 111-comment subthread]] in the “Fandom wank” thread: //“Johnwatsugh// (JW) //wobbles wildly between calling people pedophiles and ok. i’m.”// They linked to a post in which JW was expressing suicidal feelings and claiming they would leave Tumblr. Apparently they had a crush on the actress Amanda Abbington and were upset that she had interacted in a friendly way with the ([[http://princeprosperoredmask.tumblr.com/post/127867146815/tim-roberts-vs-the-cumberbatch-fandom-a-long|admittedly misogynist and otherwise obnoxious]]) theatre worker Tim Roberts. Late in the thread there was [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835351000#cmt835351000|more discussion]] of their mental health, with some nonnies [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835369432#cmt835369432|sympathetic]], others [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835371992#cmt835371992|not so much]].
  
-Most of the thread was devoted to how TJLC, especially [[w/page/95804915/loudest-subtext-in-television|loudest-subtext-in-television]] (LSIT), had succeeded in bullying an apology out of awellkeptsecret (AWKS) — e.g., by [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835126232#cmt835126232|sending "concerned" asks]] to anyone reblogging her work. AWKS made [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/127885678119/i-would-like-to-say-before-i-issue-a-formal|a groveling apology]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835281112#cmt835281112|Nonny]]: //"////She has nothing to apologise for! It's so infuriating that the moral crusaders are making her feel responsible for any of that wank."// AWKS also stated she would henceforth [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/127938921764/im-getting-used-to-trying-not-to-reblog-things-so|try not to reblog]] from [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/127938113449/until-further-notice-my-blog-will-be-limited-to|other people]] ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=836093656#cmt836093656|nonnies discuss]]). LSIT's response (preserved [[http://tiltedsyllogism.tumblr.com/post/128134842892/loudest-subtext-in-television|here]]) was //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835527128#cmt835527128|as awful and smug]] as you can imagine"// and //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835422936#cmt835422936|pretty typical condescending tl:dr bs]] you'd expect from her, with a side of victim-blaming."// It included the implication that one can be [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835446232#cmt835446232|"primed"]] for child sexual abuse by reading or looking at shota, as well as a passive reference to [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835601880#cmt835601880|"221b drama"]] without mentioning who caused all of it.+Most of the thread was devoted to how TJLC, especially [[loudest-subtext-in-television|loudest-subtext-in-television]] (LSIT), had succeeded in bullying an apology out of awellkeptsecret (AWKS) — e.g., by [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835126232#cmt835126232|sending "concerned" asks]] to anyone reblogging her work. AWKS made [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/127885678119/i-would-like-to-say-before-i-issue-a-formal|a groveling apology]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835281112#cmt835281112|Nonny]]: //"////She has nothing to apologise for! It's so infuriating that the moral crusaders are making her feel responsible for any of that wank."// AWKS also stated she would henceforth [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/127938921764/im-getting-used-to-trying-not-to-reblog-things-so|try not to reblog]] from [[http://anotherwellkeptsecret.tumblr.com/post/127938113449/until-further-notice-my-blog-will-be-limited-to|other people]] ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=836093656#cmt836093656|nonnies discuss]]). LSIT's response (preserved [[http://tiltedsyllogism.tumblr.com/post/128134842892/loudest-subtext-in-television|here]]) was //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835527128#cmt835527128|as awful and smug]] as you can imagine"// and //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835422936#cmt835422936|pretty typical condescending tl:dr bs]] you'd expect from her, with a side of victim-blaming."// It included the implication that one can be [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835446232#cmt835446232|"primed"]] for child sexual abuse by reading or looking at shota, as well as a passive reference to [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835601880#cmt835601880|"221b drama"]] without mentioning who caused all of it.
  
 One nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835516376#cmt835516376|expressed disappointment]] in AWKS for not only apologizing but "**//actively defending//**// LSiT and 'confessing' to (unintentional) harm. That is bullshit of the highest order and in doing this, she's giving perceived weight to every other bullshit accusation these people make. ... I hate Gracee and her shit golems for turning [the fandom] into this.////"// Elsethread, a few nonnies expressed [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835290840#cmt835290840|a lack]] of [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835337432#cmt835337432|respect]] for anyone who similarly gives in to such bullying. Various anons (politely) explained why this happens: //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835388376#cmt835388376|[Y]ou don't know]] a) what it's like, and b) how someone's past trauma can interact with this shit. Literally the only way for me to be okay was to back the fuck off and stop being part of the fandom. That was my spine showing, right there."// Others pointed out that [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=844938456#cmt844938456|the fandom just stops being fun anymore]], that [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835919576#cmt835919576|young girls and women are socialized to make peace]], that [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835944152#cmt835944152|TJLC deliberately targeted people who have been open about their psychiatric issues]], and that victims apologize //"[b]////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=840579032#cmt840579032|ecause you hope that it makes them stop.]] It doesn't, but you want it to stop, because you can't get online without dreading it." //However, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835238872#cmt835238872|another nonny argued]] that if this sort of thing could happen to a very well-liked BNF like AWKS, it could happen to anyone else, and they felt AWKS had a responsibility to stand up to it: //"////She didn't even speak out against them, she simply didn't speak out against their targets. They are showing everyone in the fandom that if you don't join them you will be the next target."// One nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835516376#cmt835516376|expressed disappointment]] in AWKS for not only apologizing but "**//actively defending//**// LSiT and 'confessing' to (unintentional) harm. That is bullshit of the highest order and in doing this, she's giving perceived weight to every other bullshit accusation these people make. ... I hate Gracee and her shit golems for turning [the fandom] into this.////"// Elsethread, a few nonnies expressed [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835290840#cmt835290840|a lack]] of [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835337432#cmt835337432|respect]] for anyone who similarly gives in to such bullying. Various anons (politely) explained why this happens: //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835388376#cmt835388376|[Y]ou don't know]] a) what it's like, and b) how someone's past trauma can interact with this shit. Literally the only way for me to be okay was to back the fuck off and stop being part of the fandom. That was my spine showing, right there."// Others pointed out that [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=844938456#cmt844938456|the fandom just stops being fun anymore]], that [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835919576#cmt835919576|young girls and women are socialized to make peace]], that [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835944152#cmt835944152|TJLC deliberately targeted people who have been open about their psychiatric issues]], and that victims apologize //"[b]////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=840579032#cmt840579032|ecause you hope that it makes them stop.]] It doesn't, but you want it to stop, because you can't get online without dreading it." //However, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/156376.html?thread=835238872#cmt835238872|another nonny argued]] that if this sort of thing could happen to a very well-liked BNF like AWKS, it could happen to anyone else, and they felt AWKS had a responsibility to stand up to it: //"////She didn't even speak out against them, she simply didn't speak out against their targets. They are showing everyone in the fandom that if you don't join them you will be the next target."//
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 The thread [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=844940616#cmt844940616|"]][[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=844940616#cmt844940616|Sherlock Fandom: Wank 'Till it Chafes"]] was 34 comments long. OP linked to [[http://captain-liddy.tumblr.com/post/128579586470/joolaweed-if-you-werent-in-fandom-before|a reblog of a Joolaweed post]] by captain-liddy that said, "if you weren’t in fandom before tjlc you don’t know… you just don’t know" and was tagged "#dark times" and "#dark dark times". Another nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=844972360#cmt844972360|expressed disbelief]] that the sentence didn't actually end with //"... how much of a massive, towering ziggurat of rancid horseshit the fandom has become in comparison."// OP themself: //"////It doesn't take much to find unnecessary wank, bullying, and negativity these days. That's not my recollection of Sherlock fandom 'pre-TJLC.' Two years ago, I had to go out of my way to go to specific blogs I knew were engaging in wank, and they had *reputations*, so people avoided them." //Many other nonnies agreed. One provided [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=845365832#cmt845365832|a detailed rebuttal]] to Joolaweed's assertion, with support from the first nonny to reply to them.  The thread [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=844940616#cmt844940616|"]][[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=844940616#cmt844940616|Sherlock Fandom: Wank 'Till it Chafes"]] was 34 comments long. OP linked to [[http://captain-liddy.tumblr.com/post/128579586470/joolaweed-if-you-werent-in-fandom-before|a reblog of a Joolaweed post]] by captain-liddy that said, "if you weren’t in fandom before tjlc you don’t know… you just don’t know" and was tagged "#dark times" and "#dark dark times". Another nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=844972360#cmt844972360|expressed disbelief]] that the sentence didn't actually end with //"... how much of a massive, towering ziggurat of rancid horseshit the fandom has become in comparison."// OP themself: //"////It doesn't take much to find unnecessary wank, bullying, and negativity these days. That's not my recollection of Sherlock fandom 'pre-TJLC.' Two years ago, I had to go out of my way to go to specific blogs I knew were engaging in wank, and they had *reputations*, so people avoided them." //Many other nonnies agreed. One provided [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=845365832#cmt845365832|a detailed rebuttal]] to Joolaweed's assertion, with support from the first nonny to reply to them. 
  
-[[w/page/95804915/loudest-subtext-in-television|Loudest-subtext-in-television]] (LSIT) had replied somewhere in the notes to that post, "I had lurked for a year and almost didn’t make my blog because I thought the fandom was unbearably negative". And, ironically, captain-liddy expressed their bitterness in other posts toward Sherlolly fans who had [[http://captain-liddy.tumblr.com/post/128495998225/im-still-bitter-that-the-person-with-the-private|obtained the Tumblr handle theprivatelifeofsherlockholmes]] or who had [[http://captain-liddy.tumblr.com/post/128507478965/how-can-that-person-reblog-the-gifset-of-sally|tagged a Sherlock gifset "wrongly."]]+[[loudest-subtext-in-television|Loudest-subtext-in-television]] (LSIT) had replied somewhere in the notes to that post, "I had lurked for a year and almost didn’t make my blog because I thought the fandom was unbearably negative". And, ironically, captain-liddy expressed their bitterness in other posts toward Sherlolly fans who had [[http://captain-liddy.tumblr.com/post/128495998225/im-still-bitter-that-the-person-with-the-private|obtained the Tumblr handle theprivatelifeofsherlockholmes]] or who had [[http://captain-liddy.tumblr.com/post/128507478965/how-can-that-person-reblog-the-gifset-of-sally|tagged a Sherlock gifset "wrongly."]]
  
 Elsethread, one nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=845158728#cmt845158728|noted with satisfaction]] that //"Tropical Storm Grace [[http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-tropical-storm-grace-20150905-story.html|appears be fizzling out in the Atlantic and poses no real threat]]. She ain't all that.”// Elsethread, one nonny [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/157768.html?thread=845158728#cmt845158728|noted with satisfaction]] that //"Tropical Storm Grace [[http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-tropical-storm-grace-20150905-story.html|appears be fizzling out in the Atlantic and poses no real threat]]. She ain't all that.”//
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 ===== Post #282, Sep. 9-11, 2015 ===== ===== Post #282, Sep. 9-11, 2015 =====
  
-In a thread titled "Who is X and why does meme hate them?", a subthread OP asked, //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848008219#cmt848008219|Who is graceebooks?]] Is she related to horse-ebooks?"// The 45-comment subthread included a [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848069915#cmt848069915|very long summary]] of the TJLC mess, with bonus details of Grace’s multi-bigoted behavior in past fandoms. When another nonny, possibly one of [[w/page/110182627/Gracee's%20Minions|Gracee's Minions]], [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848096539#cmt848096539|sniped]], //"////Did you seriously type all this up just now? Maybe it's time to take a break,"// yet [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848187163#cmt848187163|another said]], //"////As someone who remembers Gracee from Glee fandom, I'm glad that people are keeping tabs on her shitty behavior. Write ups like this make me happy."//+In a thread titled "Who is X and why does meme hate them?", a subthread OP asked, //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848008219#cmt848008219|Who is graceebooks?]] Is she related to horse-ebooks?"// The 45-comment subthread included a [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848069915#cmt848069915|very long summary]] of the TJLC mess, with bonus details of Grace’s multi-bigoted behavior in past fandoms. When another nonny, possibly one of [[gracees-minions|Gracee's Minions]], [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848096539#cmt848096539|sniped]], //"////Did you seriously type all this up just now? Maybe it's time to take a break,"// yet [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848187163#cmt848187163|another said]], //"////As someone who remembers Gracee from Glee fandom, I'm glad that people are keeping tabs on her shitty behavior. Write ups like this make me happy."//
  
 That nonny themselves had [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848213787#cmt848213787|many things to say]] about Grace's previous fandom escapades: //"I have a personal stake in this because ////I got into a big thing with her over Blaine's race and if she had this level of power then, I would've been run out of fandom on a rail."// They then described [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848278555#cmt848278555|Grace's bashing of Blaine]], which included a lot of skeevy racist, homophobic, and victim-blaming rhetoric while calling his fans "racists." And: //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848298779#cmt848298779|Even worse]], a lot of the people involved in this wank, myself included, were POC, and no matter how many times we explained that no, racism doesn't work that way, she kept going."// That nonny themselves had [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848213787#cmt848213787|many things to say]] about Grace's previous fandom escapades: //"I have a personal stake in this because ////I got into a big thing with her over Blaine's race and if she had this level of power then, I would've been run out of fandom on a rail."// They then described [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848278555#cmt848278555|Grace's bashing of Blaine]], which included a lot of skeevy racist, homophobic, and victim-blaming rhetoric while calling his fans "racists." And: //"////[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/158235.html?thread=848298779#cmt848298779|Even worse]], a lot of the people involved in this wank, myself included, were POC, and no matter how many times we explained that no, racism doesn't work that way, she kept going."//
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 ===== Post #365, Jan. 30-31, 2016 ===== ===== Post #365, Jan. 30-31, 2016 =====
  
-In the [[w/page/46351568/Common%20Threads|“Ask meme”]] thread, a nonny started [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/179789.html?thread=979009357#cmt979009357|a 60-comment subthread]] by asking what Fawnlock was. The initial conversation went like this:+In the [[common-threads|“Ask meme”]] thread, a nonny started [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/179789.html?thread=979009357#cmt979009357|a 60-comment subthread]] by asking what Fawnlock was. The initial conversation went like this:
  
 //"It's Sherlock as a baby deer who gets fucked by John. Yes."// //"It's Sherlock as a baby deer who gets fucked by John. Yes."//
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