====== Gracee's Minions ====== //**Ed. note: If you've come here from an outside website, please be aware that while we strive for these pages to be an accurate and well-documented accounting of events, this is an unofficial and internal wiki for the use of the nonnies at fail_fandomanon. Links marked in red go to posts outside of FFA, and the footnotes are archived versions of these pages.**// {{large_s5uMY8ooGRZOL0oe4sIvnlTsYQO.jpg?209x314}}\\ //caption// //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=697576607#cmt697576607|I got sucked into reading her tumblr again]] and Jesus, she's like a cult leader with all her minions. They really get off on this shit.// //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/136187.html?thread=712291579#cmt712291579|They're nothing but a braindead pack of disingenuous shit-stirring weasels]] who tried to run out their fandom enemies under a false flag of social justice and guilt-tripping.\\ // {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=toc&depth=3}} ====== The Usual Suspects ====== Gracee's friends, minions, and hangers-on (list is not exhaustive): * [[w/page/95804915/loudest-subtext-in-television|loudest-subtext-in-television]] (whose relevant deleted OP can be found reblogged [[http://zukorama.tumblr.com/post/116482970352/loudest-subtext-in-television-graceebooks|here]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2F4rVnc}}) * [[w/page/110155024/Ivyblossom|Ivyblossom]] -- not quite a minion, not quite an ally, Ivy is a perfect unicorn of the TJLC cause (except when condemning them works to her advantage) * [[http://ivorylungs.tumblr.com|Ivorylungs]] (aka [[http://tintenfischjohn.tumblr.com|Manna]]) * [[http://Vellium.tumblr.com|Vellium]] (aka [[http://velblogs.tumblr.com|Velblogs]]) * [[http://Katzensprotte.tumblr.com|Katzensprotte]] (aka [[http://egglestrade.tumblr.com|Falka]]) * [[http://taikova.tumblr.com|Taikova]] (aka [[http://taiclops.tumblr.com|taiclops]]) * [[http://joolabee.tumblr.com|Joolabee]] (aka [[http://futchcassidy.tumblr.com/|futchcassidy]]) * [[http://whalelesbian.tumblr.com|Kumbricwitch]] (aka Fae) * [[http://nondeducible.tumblr.com|nondeducible]], who [[http://nondeducible.tumblr.com/post/116323668769/writemeastoryofsolitude-replied-to-your|suggested doxxing]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2F1BC9L}} the [[w/page/95246807/Sherlock%20221b%20Con%20Wank|221b Concom]] because they "[[http://nondeducible.tumblr.com/post/116320256314/not-only-was-johnlock-not-mentioned-at-all-because|Johnlock wasn't mentioned at all]]"{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FF8WNb}} (which is //super// ironic in light of Gracee accusing this wiki of doxxing her) * [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134519.html?thread=703260279#cmt703260279|therealmartinsgrrrl]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FQ2VSQ}} * [[http://peachysherlock.tumblr.com/post/116408923381/roane72-reblog-if-you-understand-that-someones|peachysherlock]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FZvhQM}} * [[http://songnumberthree.tumblr.com/post/116405535495/bullying-and-kinkshaming-and-221b-con-enough-is|songnumberthree]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FAhoQj}} * [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=695789920#cmt695789920|wss watson (sylviatietjens)]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2Fgq392}} (now [[http://vauxhallandi.tumblr.com|vauxhallandi]]) * anyaschortle*{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FZhvDR}} * [[http://songlin.tumblr.com/post/117543111386/youre-making-some-excellent-points-about-the|drfurter]] ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135451.html?thread=709422619#cmt70942|who also doesn't seem to have any understanding of their namesake]]) * [[http://sidryan.tumblr.com|sidryan]] * [[http://wearitcounts.tumblr.com/post/148916593592/graceebooks-recentlyfolded-pennypaperbrain/mobile|wearitcounts]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FoNI42}} * [[http://writemeastoryofsolitude.tumblr.com/post/144204371976/more-the-fact-that-the-rape-and-pedo|writemeastoryofsolitude]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FqRhDk}} * [[http://gaysherlock.co.vu/post/148923247486/what-i-find-really-funny-and-by-funny-i-mean/mobile|sherlock/gaysherlock]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2Fs92jM}} * [[http://warmth-and-constancy.tumblr.com/post/148918609695/accidentallysherlocked-thefemlockconspiracy|warmth-and-constancy]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FH2BCB}} * [[http://melatovnik.tumblr.com/post/148768510379/theleftpill-redmageshabet-melatovnik|melatovnik]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2F5yQxt}} * [[http://kinklock.tumblr.com/post/148917787475/brave-heart-on-that-giant-slew-of-made-up-crap|kinklock]] **{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2Fcf1tC}}\\ ** ====== Hypocrisy ====== Pretty much everybody in Grace’s kinkshaming contingent has created, reblogged, and/or complimented fanworks that are problematic in terms of real-life consent, while simultaneously decrying anything outside bi!John topping Gay Baby Sherlock as pedophilia: * Many of them are into “Fawnlock,” an AU in which Sherlock is //“[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/132985.html?thread=693698425#cmt693698425|a faun or otherwise humanoid deer]] with the mental capacity and ability to express himself of a child of less than 5”// — in other words, //“babyfur.”// As another nonny says, //“[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133571.html?thread=696968899#cmt69696|I'm finding the arguments extremely rich]] coming from people who get off on baby deer anilingus.”// When called out on this, johnwatso, one of Gracee's clique, claims, //"[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135451.html?thread=709985563#cmt709985563|none of us condone or support those [babyfur-themed Fawnlock] works]]."// [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135451.html?thread=710080283#cmt710080283|Except that they totally do, going by what they reblog and tag]]. Oops! //// * Joolabee [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/132985.html?thread=693793401#cmt693793401|has written]] and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=694639456#cmt694639456|bookmarked fic]] that crosses the line into noncon [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134331.html?thread=701998267#cmt701998267|(and then lied about it)]]. Joolabee (as futchcassidy) defends her writing of somnophilia fic [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134331.html?thread=701941691#cmt701941691|because Sherlock giving a sleeping John a blowjob is "]]//[[http://futchcassidy.tumblr.com/post/116588413658/more-i-read-all-that-shit-last-night-and-the|clearly depicted as consensual in the next scene]].//"{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FzYMJf}} Nonnies point out that [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134331.html?thread=702153147#cmt702153147|giving consent afterward does not actually make this a consensual encounter]]. * This “[[http://sugirdaddy.tumblr.com/post/116138601628/masterpost-of-pedophilia-supporters-within-the|masterpost of pedophilia supporters]]* within the sherlock fandom for your blocking and unfollowing convenience” was created by a Tumblr user with the telling handle of “sugirdaddy.” [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=695201632#cmt695201632|Per nonny,]] //“that particular user [[http://problematicjohnlockers.tumblr.com/post/116438246708/guilty-sugirdaddy|reblogged lolicon gang rape fanart]]* before.”// [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=695619424#cmt695619424|This nonny]] links to four other posts of Sugirdaddy’s indicating interest in shota, infantilization, and teen sexual relationships. * //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=695774560#cmt695774560|“ivorylungs is waaay into the animal!Character thing with Sherlock,”]]// in various permutations. The same nonny then put up [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=695791712#cmt695791712|a much longer comment]] full of links to various people in this crowd kinking on such quasi-bestiality, as well as somnophilia, a/b/o that fetishizes lack of consent, and John and/or Sherlock as young children. * [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=696771424#cmt696771424|This nonny]] provides [[https://archive.today/8z73x|a screencap]] from Ivorylungs’ old shota blog on Tumblr (note the tags), and also notes that Taikova used to post dubcon a/b/o art. //“I seem to recall the lot of them being called out for bestiality (and occasionally pedophilia) during the s2 hiatus at the height of animal aus. Where I believe their basic argument was it's art and we're just having fun, and that if people (presumably including children) couldn't tell that they weren't condoning bestiality then that was those people's problem (sounds an awful lot like how they're now mischaracterizing folks arguments now).”// * Taikova has also drawn [[http://taikova.tumblr.com/post/40705368218/some-kittylock-for-falka-redbubble-postcard|this fanart]] of child!Sherlock lying on the floor pulling up his shirt so adult!John can tickle or fondle him. //"[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=698115487#cmt698115487|I think this picture is perfectly innocent,]] but given every indication of how they'd interpret a picture of young child-sized John pulling up his clothes so that adult!Sherlock could touch him ... "// * //“[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=696188000#cmt696188000|Writemeastoryofsolitude (aka solitary_endeavor on AO3)]], one of Grace's more marginal sycophants, wrote a long-ass fuck-or-die story in which Magnussen uses his evil blackmail powers to compel John and Sherlock to have sex with each other. In response to a kink meme prompt clearly labelled ‘non-con.’”// * Kumbricwitch, the member of Grace's group who left the panel when Michi declared the trigger warning, [[http://kumbricwitch.tumblr.com/post/116780482001/john-playing-with-sherlocks-peeper-and-every|posted this]]*: "john playing with Sherlocks peeper 🙈🙈🙈 and every few minutes asking “is this still okay?” and Sherlock like saying yes over and over and then the next time john asks Sherlock 💦💦" [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=698248607#cmt698248607|Nonnies were squicked]] by the implied infantilization of "peeper." That said, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=698333855#cmt698333855|this subthread headcanoning Sherlock as keeping tiny frogs]] is delightful, and [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134016.html?thread=700493184#cmt700493184|"Sherlock: The Greatest Peeper Story Ever Told"]] is a heartbreaking work of staggering genius. * As alluded to at the start of the “Grace’s background” section, mothscarf — formerly princeowl — //“[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=698309023#cmt698309023|changed urls]] after their ex accused them of being emotionally manipulative and coercing/manipulating them into sex.”// [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/116761082152/can-i-have-my-own-ryden-panel-at-powerpuff-con|This post by Grace]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FEsYXd}} seems to be a dig at them for this. //“Even if it isn't, there's something deeply hypocritical about being friends with an accused abuser (accused by a real person, that is) and yet acting like people who write fic about sexual abuse are the worst and deserve to be shunned.”// Additionally, Mothscarf has reblogged [[http://mothscarf.tumblr.com/post/116837577870/please-stop-calling-enthusiastic-consent-a-kink|semi-explicit yaoi]]* of the characters from the children's show //Ed, Edd & Eddy//. * Per [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134016.html?thread=699379072#cmt699379072|nonny]], Grace and her friends are big fans of [[http://nastyrutobuka.tumblr.com/|Rutobuka]] **(NSFW)**, who draws very youthful //Hobbit// art, as well as Fawnlock. (As for Rutobuka herself, while [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134016.html?thread=699509888#cmt699509888|//“she hasn't reblogged some of the more inflammatory posts”//]] by Grace’s supporters, she has reblogged [[http://rutobukaisalive.tumblr.com/post/116110071292/okay-so-its-another-anon-than-the-one-who-told-a|this one]]* and liked other such posts, including sugirdaddy’s “master list of pedophiles” and Peyton’s post about how survivors should avoid 221b Con.) * //“[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134331.html?thread=701333435#cmt701333435|You can tell]] how much the issue of rape truly matters to her when you remember she fiercely defended Martin Freeman after he made blatant rape jokes.”// * Falka (aka yourfalkaisproblematic/Katzensprotte/thunfischlock), now 31, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135179.html?thread=707850507#cmt707850507|claims that she was into hentai and rape porn at 16, yet had never heard of "shota" or "non-con" until 3 years ago]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135179.html?thread=707526667#cmt707526667|Nonnies think she's full of shit]]. * [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134519.html?thread=702763383#cmt702763383|Falka has also reblogged]] several examples of [[http://egglestrade.tumblr.com/post/91938114998/kalepika-deer-prince-aint-havin-your-silly|infantalized]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FB83B4}} [[http://egglestrade.tumblr.com/post/90447167569/sapiosexy-unicorn-lock-yaaaay|animal!Sherlock]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FDbICL}} art [[http://egglestrade.tumblr.com/post/84809189054/ivorylungs-fluffy-calvelock-huehue|along the lines]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FrpIqM}} of [[http://egglestrade.tumblr.com/post/85260670584/locklocked-nsfw-maybe|Fawnlock]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2F3RH2O}} (**NSFW!**), all while decrying all shota as illegal. * therealmartinsgrrrl posted that "//[[http://therealmartinsgrrrl.tumblr.com/post/117185612721/writing-non-con-to-get-off-because-you-think-its|Writing non con to get off, because you think it’s sexy... makes you someone who thinks hurting people against their will is okay. And it’s not. Not in fic, not in reality.]]"//{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FJ1nmx}}[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134519.html?thread=703260279#cmt703260279|Nonnies find it super ironic]] that she's written a explicit [[http://archiveofourown.org/works/1851622|hooker!Sherlock fic]] tagged with "Rape/Non-con" AND TopLock. * Nonnies [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/132985.html?thread=693635705#cmt693635705|discussed]] the kinkshaming sentiments of a few of the more marginal hangers-on. Various of these fans have //“[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=695660896#cmt695660896|started pulling and making private their questionable things.]] Which is hilarious because it proves that on some remote level at least they realise they're being hypocritical jackasses. I wish that remote part of their brain would move a little more to the forward.”// Ivorylungs, specifically, has [[http://ivorylungs.tumblr.com/post/116437934895|claimed that she wasn’t to blame for the shota blog]]* she co-ran with Traumachu, because she was just 17 at the time and she was trying to make her older friends happy, and she thought shota meant “cute chibi-ish art,” and only after she quit the blog did Michi “post actual sexual shit to it.” As [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=697969055#cmt697969055|this nonny]] summarized, //“Ivorylungs’ self used to do the same bad things as Michi, but it was only because Michi influenced her so much. THIS is on the contrary to Michi's treatment solely the fault of Michi, not Ivorylungs's at all, and so she shouldn't be held accountable about it, at all.”// Another nonny: //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=697918623#cmt697918623|Yeah, you can be pressured into [doing what Ivorylungs did]]]. Though I'm not sure pressured is the right word. There are people who can't form a single thought of their own, and need to be told what to do and think, and idk, to go from running a shota blog when that was the cool friend liked to bullying that same person when she has a different cool friend...I think she's the kind of person who just needs to be in with the cool kids. Which isn't quite the same as being pressured. Sure, people want to be liked. But that's not an excuse.// //// Still another: //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=698321055#cmt698321055|I'd say she reminds me of a reformed alcoholic becoming a bar-smashing Prohibitionist fanatic,]] except her other stuff is tame as shit, she was never an "alcoholic" so she's more like a college kid who got really sick on Long Island Ice Teas the first time she EVER drank and puked in a dumpster and felt like shit afterward, so that particular morning she was really prone to falling in with a shouty self-righteous crowd that calls everyone who has a glass of wine with dinner a drunkard.// [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135179.html?thread=707381259#cmt707381259It%20turns%20out|It turns out]] that Ivorylungs had an old deviantart account from which she forgot to delete all her old pictures of young boys being fucked. Enterprising anons managed to grab some screencaps of Ivorylungs' art featuring [[https://www.anony.ws/image/Drm3|underaged schoolboy John being]] [[https://www.anony.ws/image/DruJ|fucked by Professor Sherlock Holmes]] (fanart for "[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/520936|5 Times John was Fucked By A Teacher and the One Time It Was A Nurse Instead]]" by SailorChibi; [[http://archiveofourown.org/comments/1584460|Manna/IvoryLung's comment]] on said fic) before Ivorylungs removed it. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135179.html?thread=707381259#cmt707381259|When this information came to light thanks to FFA]], Manna/IvoryLungs complained that nonnies were "[[http://tintenfischjohn.tumblr.com/post/117522592090/trying-to-drag-me-for-shit-i-made-when-i-was-about|trying to drag [her] for shit [she] made when [she] was about 17…. yikes]]"{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2F5VgA6}} and lamenting about nonnies' lack of lives, jobs, and pets. These jobless nonnies quickly did some elementary math and pointed out that, based on her stated age and birthday, both publicly available on her blog, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135179.html?thread=707471371#cmt707471371|Manna/IvoryLungs was actually 19 when the image was posted]]. The previously mentioned [[http://egglestrade.tumblr.com/post/116742501444/the-stupid-memes-and-jokes-about-this-whole|Katzensprotte/Falka]] has opined{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FZ79UJ}}: the stupid memes and jokes about this whole debacle are honestly the only thing that keep me from going fucking nuts like holy shit if i would stop making jokes about this shit i would end up crying because it is frightening how people just dismiss other survivors and just… common decency??? THERE WAS A LEGIT PEDO ON THIS PANEL SOMEONE WHO OPENLY POSTS ABOUT GETTING OFF ON ART AND FIC ABOUT CHILDREN GETTING RAPED AND SOMEONE WHO LOOKS UP THE ACCOUNTS OF SURVIVORS OF TORTURE JUST SO THEY CAN USE IT FOR THEIR FICS TO WANK TO TELL ME HOW THIS IS DESERVING OF SUPPORT IN WHAT FUCKIGN WORLD ARE WE LIVING AND THEN YOu KEEP ClAIMING YOUA RE FEMINISTS YOU ARE TERRIFYING [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=697803423#cmt697803423|Nonny:]] //"Her over-the-top dumblerina no caps + capslock + occasional poor spelling schtick is really embarrassing. She acts like she's much younger than she is, and I really find it creepy."// [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135179.html?thread=707410187#cmt707410187|This thread]] goes into more detail about drfurter's involvement in this wank. Drfurter also [[http://drfurter.tumblr.com/post/117704468895/either-the-eminent-abundantlyqueer-guessed-this|outed themself as sending abusive anon asks]] to AbundantlyQueer.{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FwA83R}}[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135451.html?thread=709450267#cmt709450267|Nonnies discuss]]. Gracee sycophant therealmartinsgrrrl claims writing non-con/rape fic "//[[http://therealmartinsgrrrl.tumblr.com/post/117185612721/writing-non-con-to-get-off-because-you-think-its|makes you someone who thinks hurting people against their will is okay. And it’s not. Not in fic, not in reality.]]//"{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FQ2VSQ}} and begs for people to listen to them. [[http://therealmartinsgrrrl.tumblr.com/post/117269573586/milarvela-the-mamishka-aprillikesthings|When people actually do engage them,]]{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2Fzqo1A}} pointing out that this is not a new discussion (see [[w/page/95844659/Sherlock%20221b%20Con%20Wank%202%3A%20The%20Chafening|Sherlock 221b Con Wank 2: The Chafening]]), she suddenly [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/135451.html?thread=709722907#cmt709722907|loses her own ability to argue, and pretends she's being condescended to]]. [[http://draikinator.tumblr.com/post/116673989860/so-this-is-the-first-chance-ive-had-to-watch-the|draikinator comments on the video]]* of TheGreenIrene crying, [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134519.html?thread=702507895#cmt70250|tagging it "//#she just #started crying #out of nowhere.//"]] ====== Age is just a number ====== [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/132985.html?thread=693635705#cmt693635705|FFA]], as well as [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/unfunny_fandom/24912.html|Unfunny Fandom]] and [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/wank_report/1488.html?thread=10864336#t10864336|Wank Report]], have noticed that Grace quite deliberately attracts a significantly younger crowd of fans to herself: //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=695324000#cmt695324000|I got a really skeevy vibe]] off her that was confirmed after news of Leelah Alcorn's suicide. She took that time to tell any of her younger, vulnerable trans followers that they could come stay with her at her house any time. Right, this is the time to invite younger vulnerable strangers who could be victims of abuse themselves to become beholden to you. I just got a bad vibe off it since she and lalondes seem to care more about looking good than actually doing good, use their activism in a manipulative way against people upset with them ("how could I have done something wrong, I'm an activist!!!") and I've had bad experiences with abusers who relied on manipulating younger members of marginalized groups in a way to keep them loyal to them, and to cover up their abusive behavior.// //[different nonny] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=695125344#cmt695125344|Also yeah,]] her being nasty to "old" fans drives me up the wall. She's 30. And honestly the way she acts with 15/16/17 year old kids skeeves me out, and I say this as someone who was friendly with a lots of older people when I was that age and younger. I never felt like they were training me for an army, though.// //// Quite a few of her younger friends’ posts about her give off creepy vibes. [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/116620436352/queerwashing-i-love-grace-because-she-didnt|Queerwashing]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2F673Ve}} says, “i love grace because she didn’t just help me be a better person, she like fucking FORCED it on me.” [[http://graceebooks.tumblr.com/post/116760965932/your-personality-isnt-mean-its-stern-and-firm|An anon told Grace]],{{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2F2EGN6}} “Your personality isn't mean. It's stern and firm when things are wrong, but the rest of the time you're just giggling and memeing.” Tumblr user [[http://martinfreeman.tumblr.com/post/116611419338/i-love-grace-and-she-is-a-wonderful-person-who-has|martinfreeman]] {{/plugin_helper.php?plugin=footnote&name=No+label&html=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2FGThna}} has unironically compared her to Batman. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=697878175#cmt697878175|Nonny:]] //"You can't make this shit up. Do they have a grace signal?"// Some of the minions have [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133791.html?thread=698094495#cmt698094495|drawn fanart of Grace from her selfies]] — including [[http://ivorylungs.tumblr.com/post/116630657250|Grace with a halo]] (here's [[http://sincerelywrong.tumblr.com/post/116935698939/grace-wondered-what-she-would-like-in-a-certain|another example]], [[http://johnthreecontinents.tumblr.com/post/117040887147/sup-i-heard-we-were-drawing-grace-graceebooks-with|another,]] and [[http://taikova.tumblr.com/post/116832413688/a-halo|one more]]), and [[http://katzensprotte.tumblr.com/post/116930095078/part-iii-of-the-st-grace-series-part-i-part-ii|Grace as a full-blown saint]]. Meme is [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134331.html?thread=701330363#cmt701330363|creeped the fuck out]]: //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134331.html?thread=701363131#cmt701363131|I've been in some wanky fandoms]] where the joke was that some BNFs might as well have a shrine and worshipers somewhere. This is the first time I've seen anyone take the joke// serious. Nondeducible has [[http://nondeducible.tumblr.com/post/116817483774/so-in-a-lion-king-grace-squad-au-is-grace-simba|written]] [[http://nondeducible.tumblr.com/post/116819030329/grace-you-got-lured-into-the-221bcon-canyon-have|several]] [[http://nondeducible.tumblr.com/post/116820619549/roane-as-scar-even-has-her-entourage-of-dimwit|posts]] pondering “a lion king grace squad au” in which Grace is Simba, Mufasa, or both; Roane72 and her friends Scar and the hyenas, and Grace’s minions Timon and Pumbaa. Or “maybe the stampede is the lie spreading 221bcon board of directors who seemingly kills grace mufasa by banning her and casting out simba but grace comes back with her squad timon and pumbaa yes i m feeling this.” ([[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134331.html?thread=700768443#cmt700768443|Meme discussion.]] One nonny: //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134331.html?thread=701449403#cmt701449403|"They're lowering the IQ of the whole veldt."]]//) Another nonny: //[[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/133216.html?thread=697790816#cmt697790816|I'm wondering if there's a pattern with people like wsswatson]] ... I've seen wsswatson on more than one occasion demand the respect of an adult in one post, and when people disagreed with her, called them out for bullying queer teen girls. The "queer teen girls" thing seems to be a warcry with some of these people and one of their biggest defenses. Everytime someone takes issue with them it turns into this massive circle of "won't anyone think of the queer teen girls!" And the adult fans among them are terrible about perpetuating that. Throwing that blanket over them every single time they do something wrong so that it's honestly no wonder people like sugirdaddy, who's grown up playing in their skirts and tugging at their apron strings, has no concept of responsibility.// [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/134016.html?thread=699686272#cmt69968627|This thread]] has more details on wsswatson's hateboner for Roane72 in particular. ====== In defense of Our Lady Grace ====== During [[w/page/110137021/TJLC%20vs%20JLEG%3A%20The%20Return%20of%20the%20Wankers|TJLC vs JLEG: The Return of the Wankers]] writemeastoryofsolitude attempted to position themselves as Gracee's //* denotes posts that have since been deleted. wiki nonnie is attempting to find copies of these in reblogs and will update if possible.\\ // {{tag>todo people people:wankers}}